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Quote Adam Replybullet Topic: Nazi Tattoos
    Posted: September/27/2011 at 12:08am

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A buddy of mine recently commented on a Nazi tattoo that was recently done and how disturbed he was by it. This was then followed up by a ton of comments about how fucked it was to tattoo something like this on someone.

Here was my general comment:

"Let's look at this from a larger scope. The general agreement is that everyone doesn't like the tattoo because of the ideology that's behind the meaning. Now before I continue, let me say that I don't think killing jews is a good idea. Now with that out of the way, how much different is this than all the crazy satanic, anti-catholic tattoos that we all get and put on people? Both of them represent a supreme hatred towards something, that most people would deem to be good. It's just that "evil tattoos" are more mainstream now and socially acceptable. Tattooing satan disemboweling Jesus with mother mary getting fisted by demonic priests isn't exactly wholesome. All I'm saying is pick one. Either be anti-hate, or don't give a fuck. I'm on the don't give a fuck side myself. If someone wants a swastika with hitler butt-ramming a decaying jesus wearing a torra, go for it. But don't say "nazi's are bad" and then turn around and say nun-fisting is ok."

I would like to know your take on something like this. Are you close-minded like most of the commenters with a general, "nazi's are bad, you suck" message, or do you have something to offer? I'm hoping the members here will offer some more enlightened conversation.

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edit: the artist of the original tattoo is Den Yakovlev

Edited by Adam - September/27/2011 at 12:09am
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Quote Spammwise Replybullet Posted: September/27/2011 at 12:29am
I agree completely, people should be able to believe what they want to believe. People are always going to have different views and opinions and I think they should be able to express those opinions if they feel it should be done. I've seen and heard people beaking tattoos with 'positive messages' and the same thing goes for that. People are people, people have opinions, people have voices,people are going to voice those views and what should it matter whether you like it or not.
Plus that is a beautiful tattoo.

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Quote metalbabe Replybullet Posted: September/27/2011 at 1:33am
my real issue with this kind of tattoo is the fact that it is extremely likely to regret it - if only because of getting fed up with all the negative feedback given by people. It isn't something one can easily walk around with on display - as it would cause way too many problems for its owner. Something like this has the potential of costing someone their job, for example. Sad, but true.

Comparing a nazi tattoo with satanic tattoos is debatable to me.  I also believe that such satanic tattoos can prove to be obstacles in life, however it is easier to get away with them due to the large number of horror films and bands using such artwork out there.

The tattoo itself is beautiful.

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Quote belle Replybullet Posted: September/27/2011 at 4:19am
this is an awesomely well done tattoo...its detail is increadible. But for millions of people this will always be a symbol of hate.
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Quote Keiran1980 Replybullet Posted: September/27/2011 at 4:43am
The quality of work on that tattoo is very high.

I personally am less judgemental about tattooed images than about script. If that person had JEW HUNTER tattooed on him then I would instantly make several negative conclusions. A person could have a tattoo of the Nazi flag for many reasons and not all of them would be negative. For example, the person could have a tattoo of the flags of all the major participant nations in the Second World War and this could just be the one we can see, or could have lost a relative during the war and wants this tattoo to remember them.

As for anti-Christian tattoos again I find images can have ambiguous meanings while script is normally very direct. I H8 JESUS or KILL THE POPE give a clear message, while an image of a monk being tortured by a demon could either be anti-Catholic or a devotional tattoo showing the Temptation Of Saint Anthony.
Obvioulsy anything blatantly sexual with religious figures is far less of a grey area. Also any tattoo that specifically goes against the etiquette of a faith (such as an image depicting the Prophet Muhammad who, in Islam, should never be made into an icon) is something I frown upon.

So, within reason, I am not inclined to judge tattooed images unless they are really blatant in their meaning.
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Quote INKstar Replybullet Posted: September/27/2011 at 6:14am
wrong, wrong, wrong ...
 
Why do people always miss the most important point in discussions like that!? OK, as a german I might be indoctrinated by the system of manipulation installed by the victorious allied powers in europe after WWII ... but ... I can live with that ... it was a good time (almost 50 yrs. of peace) before germany was forced into wars like Afganistan and Iraq by those very same countries ... ha haa ...
 
Oooops ... Off Topic ...

So, to the point ... you miss one very important thing in your argumentation:
 
REALITY (history) vs. FICTION
 
While the regency of Satan and the end of all days etc. is still to be awaited (feared? anyone??) ... although someone could argue about Bush here but that would go off topic again ... the "3rd Reich" was real and actually DID happen ... AND ... may it be an american or german soldier or KZ survivor ... OUR family, friends, community, culture etc. has a very recent memory of that! Just to take away the next step ppl argue that Stalin did "the same" or China or Nero in Rome of whatever ... point is it actually happend and although we allow it still to happen (in Africa, Ex.Yugoslavia etc.) it is not comparable to any fiction ... and may it be the biggest fiction of religion ;-P
 
Soooooooooo ... would I drink a beer with a satanist? Sure! This guy might be dangerous with his Orc-Loving Tolkin Head with all that fiction in his mind ...

Would I drink a beer with a Nazi? Sure! If it was his last wish before execution ;-P

Although all this superiour race shit and such is fiction as well ... it has been become reality ... so unless Satan walks on earth don't give me arguments like that with Nazis not been worse that any Satan-Lovin-Metal Head ;-)
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Quote ZombiePhlegm Replybullet Posted: September/27/2011 at 8:07am
Only thing I have against this tattoo is the continued misrepresentation of the Swastika.

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Quote Chai Replybullet Posted: September/27/2011 at 9:15am
I agree with you Adam and I agree with ZombiePhlegm.

I often question people with patches of crossed over swastikas  why the hell they are anti-buddhist. Wearing a patch like that is supporting that the nazis are allowed to use our symbol.

A little off topic but as usual I cant shut up. Sorry... 
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Quote evalution Replybullet Posted: September/27/2011 at 9:21am
i would love to be able to look at this and say, "oh look! a nazi flag! well, i'd never get that myself, but that's nice", but that's just not possible for me.

as a jew who has experienced hate crime, and i've said this before, it's hard to see swastikas that are not the nazi bastardization without thinking twice about why they are there. with this, it's hard to look at something representing the genocide of my relatives and not be more than uncomfortable, and i consider myself to be pretty open minded.

i agree with INKstar in that the nazis really did kill tons and tons of people. while there are cases of "satanists" killing people (and who knows how much propaganda went into those people being dubbed satanists), i don't see satanists as a group specifically targeting a population and or having killed off almost an entire people.

do i think people should be allowed to get such tattoos? yes, but if i were in public and saw that plastered across someone's arm, i would probably not approach the person. i don't think i should be expected to.

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Quote ZombiePhlegm Replybullet Posted: September/27/2011 at 10:48am
Originally posted by evalution

i would love to be able to look at this and say, "oh look! a nazi flag! well, i'd never get that myself, but that's nice", but that's just not possible for me.

as a jew who has experienced hate crime, and i've said this before, it's hard to see swastikas that are not the nazi bastardization without thinking twice about why they are there. with this, it's hard to look at something representing the genocide of my relatives and not be more than uncomfortable, and i consider myself to be pretty open minded.

i agree with INKstar in that the nazis really did kill tons and tons of people. while there are cases of "satanists" killing people (and who knows how much propaganda went into those people being dubbed satanists), i don't see satanists as a group specifically targeting a population and or having killed off almost an entire people.

do i think people should be allowed to get such tattoos? yes, but if i were in public and saw that plastered across someone's arm, i would probably not approach the person. i don't think i should be expected to.



I suppose the defining factor is having the means to commit the atrocities that the group believes will better their lives.

I wish there was more that we could do to expunge the stain that's upon the symbol. Personally I react the same way that you do when I see someone with a swastika tattoo, it is safer to assume that the person is ignorant.

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