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Quote Frrrky Replybullet Posted: February/15/2012 at 5:44pm
too bad, better luck next time, remember to tell us how the healing for the new one goes
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Quote evalution Replybullet Posted: February/15/2012 at 6:30pm
Originally posted by Frrrky

i have two micro-dermals under my right eye and i've had one that expeled; tip: force the microdermal down into your skin untill it's deeper, then use a topical corticosteroid and a band-aid to keep pressure on it, keep this on for a week, after so stop forcing the microdermal and keep the band-aid and the corticosteroid, after another week it'll be fine


while the dermal anchor in discussion is no longer in existence, i think that this post needs to be addressed.

this is not good advice. pushing on the dermal anchor will cause even more trauma, as will the pressure from the bandaid. this is most likely going to cause further chance of rejection due to irritation. i also wouldn't suggest putting any type of ointment on the dermal anchor.

a pro will hopefully give a more detailed explanation.
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Quote Frrrky Replybullet Posted: February/15/2012 at 8:20pm
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Originally posted by Frrrky

i have two micro-dermals under my right eye and i've had one that expeled; tip: force the microdermal down into your skin untill it's deeper, then use a topical corticosteroid and a band-aid to keep pressure on it, keep this on for a week, after so stop forcing the microdermal and keep the band-aid and the corticosteroid, after another week it'll be fine


while the dermal anchor in discussion is no longer in existence, i think that this post needs to be addressed.

this is not good advice. pushing on the dermal anchor will cause even more trauma, as will the pressure from the bandaid. this is most likely going to cause further chance of rejection due to irritation. i also wouldn't suggest putting any type of ointment on the dermal anchor.

a pro will hopefully give a more detailed explanation.


if the rejection is already happening, this will "revert it", if the body notices it can't expel the foreign object it will give up and heal
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Quote MrJonz Replybullet Posted: February/15/2012 at 8:38pm
Originally posted by Frrrky

Originally posted by evalution

Originally posted by Frrrky

i have two micro-dermals under my right eye and i've had one that expeled; tip: force the microdermal down into your skin untill it's deeper, then use a topical corticosteroid and a band-aid to keep pressure on it, keep this on for a week, after so stop forcing the microdermal and keep the band-aid and the corticosteroid, after another week it'll be fine


while the dermal anchor in discussion is no longer in existence, i think that this post needs to be addressed.

this is not good advice. pushing on the dermal anchor will cause even more trauma, as will the pressure from the bandaid. this is most likely going to cause further chance of rejection due to irritation. i also wouldn't suggest putting any type of ointment on the dermal anchor.

a pro will hopefully give a more detailed explanation.


if the rejection is already happening, this will "revert it", if the body notices it can't expel the foreign object it will give up and heal


Wrong Wrong Wrong!

If it's no longer sitting flush, and to the extreme of what was showed in the OP, putting pressure on it to 'help push it down' will NOT do ANYTHING beneficial for the longevity of the piercing in the least. Either the proper depth wasn't reached, too long of a rise on the post of the anchor, poor quality jewelry, excessive outside trauma, etc are why the jewelry is no longer flush with the skin. Some anchors experience a bit of a slight raise from the skin upon healing, but can still last quite a while. Trying to force something back down that was never properly installed in the first place will do nothing but further the aggravation of the piercing.

Also, putting most any ointment on a fresh/healing wound (see *piercings*) will not assist at all.

I highly suggest before you start giving out advise, that you have (somewhat) of a clue upon the topic you're speaking.


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Quote villebranding Replybullet Posted: February/15/2012 at 8:40pm
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I highly suggest before you start giving out advise, that you have (somewhat) of a clue upon the topic you're speaking.


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Quote Frrrky Replybullet Posted: February/15/2012 at 9:08pm
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Wrong Wrong Wrong!

If it's no longer sitting flush, and to the extreme of what was showed in the OP, putting pressure on it to 'help push it down' will NOT do ANYTHING beneficial for the longevity of the piercing in the least. Either the proper depth wasn't reached, too long of a rise on the post of the anchor, poor quality jewelry, excessive outside trauma, etc are why the jewelry is no longer flush with the skin. Some anchors experience a bit of a slight raise from the skin upon healing, but can still last quite a while. Trying to force something back down that was never properly installed in the first place will do nothing but further the aggravation of the piercing.

Also, putting most any ointment on a fresh/healing wound (see *piercings*) will not assist at all.

I highly suggest before you start giving out advise, that you have (somewhat) of a clue upon the topic you're speaking.


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tell that to andré meyer, he was the one that recommended doing so... and i sincerely doubt you have as much experience with piercing as he does, no offense

EDIT: andré meyer = one of the first brazilian body piercers, active since 1992

that and advice such as "never use ointment on piercings" are good advice, but they are not law, many experienced piercers around here (when i say experience i mean 10+ years of piercing, have acted along piercing "superstars" like samppa and haworth, bla bla bla) will recommend ointments and such, specially in cases of skin-deep infection and rejection

don't think i'm talking as if i think i'm a professional, but this advice was given to me by one and it worked; his case is (was) similar to mine and i'm passing on the advice i was given... if you want to stick to basic rules, be my guest, but don't deny that it can possibly work and, since it's already gonna reject anyway, the worse that can happen is a minor infection so why not try it, right?

Edited by Frrrky - February/15/2012 at 9:20pm
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Quote MrJonz Replybullet Posted: February/15/2012 at 9:25pm
Originally posted by Frrrky

Originally posted by MrJonz

Wrong Wrong Wrong!

If it's no longer sitting flush, and to the extreme of what was showed in the OP, putting pressure on it to 'help push it down' will NOT do ANYTHING beneficial for the longevity of the piercing in the least. Either the proper depth wasn't reached, too long of a rise on the post of the anchor, poor quality jewelry, excessive outside trauma, etc are why the jewelry is no longer flush with the skin. Some anchors experience a bit of a slight raise from the skin upon healing, but can still last quite a while. Trying to force something back down that was never properly installed in the first place will do nothing but further the aggravation of the piercing.

Also, putting most any ointment on a fresh/healing wound (see *piercings*) will not assist at all.

I highly suggest before you start giving out advise, that you have (somewhat) of a clue upon the topic you're speaking.


Oh, and I'm back all.   


tell that to andré meyer, he was the one that recommended doing so... and i sincerely doubt you have as much experience with piercing as he does, no offense

EDIT: andré meyer = one of the first brazilian body piercers, active since 1992

that and advice such as "never use ointment on piercings" are good advice, but they are not law, many experienced piercers around here (when i say experience i mean 10+ years of piercing, have acted along piercing "superstars" like samppa and haworth, bla bla bla) will recommend ointments and such, specially in cases of skin-deep infection and rejection

don't think i'm talking as if i think i'm a professional, but this advice was given to me by one and it worked; his case is (was) similar to mine and i'm passing on the advice i was given... if you want to stick to basic rules, be my guest, but don't deny that it can possibly work and, since it's already gonna reject anyway, the worse that can happen is a minor infection so why not try it, right?


Surface anchors themselves have only been on the market for the past 5-6 years, so regardless of total time in the industry, very doubtful he has more up-to-date (and examples/proof backing up such claims) knowledge on the subject than the majority of other piercers out there. And I don't like this analogy, I'll use it.

Fakir boasts that using fishtail labrets will eliminate any/all issues with oral damage when it comes to lip/labret piercings. This, just isn't true, as an overall statement. I have nothing but the upmost respect and love for Fakir (attended all 3 intensives) but just because he is who he is, doesn't exclude him from being wrong from time to time too, regardless how how long he's been in the industry, which, I can assure you, is longer than the other piercer you mentioned.
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Quote MrJonz Replybullet Posted: February/15/2012 at 9:28pm
Originally posted by Frrrky



don't think i'm talking as if i think i'm a professional, but this advice was given to me by one and it worked; his case is (was) similar to mine and i'm passing on the advice i was given... if you want to stick to basic rules, be my guest, but don't deny that it can possibly work and, since it's already gonna reject anyway, the worse that can happen is a minor infection so why not try it, right?


You just described it yourself, that was for a specific instance, and it worked, for YOU. No guarantee it will for most any others.

And being so non-chalant about the possibility of a 'minor infection' if it doesn't work, would not boast loads of confidence from me on the clientele side.
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Quote Frrrky Replybullet Posted: February/15/2012 at 9:31pm
Originally posted by MrJonz

Surface anchors themselves have only been on the market for the past 5-6 years, so regardless of total time in the industry, very doubtful he has more up-to-date (and examples/proof backing up such claims) knowledge on the subject than the majority of other piercers out there. And I don't like this analogy, I'll use it.

Fakir boasts that using fishtail labrets will eliminate any/all issues with oral damage when it comes to lip/labret piercings. This, just isn't true, as an overall statement. I have nothing but the upmost respect and love for Fakir (attended all 3 intensives) but just because he is who he is, doesn't exclude him from being wrong from time to time too, regardless how how long he's been in the industry, which, I can assure you, is longer than the other piercer you mentioned.


you're comparing appples and carrots; i'm affirming that this might not be a 100% effective thing, but it is possible it will work as it has worked before so give me one good reason to dismiss it immediately as ineffective and not worth trying like you did

EDIT: i am not a piercer and this man is not my client, i'm a peer giving advice that worked for me; i'm not expecting to "boast loads of confidence" from me, do you have any better advice to give?

Edited by Frrrky - February/15/2012 at 9:34pm
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Quote MrJonz Replybullet Posted: February/15/2012 at 9:35pm
"minor infection"

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