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hellodave
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bullet Posted: August/18/2008 at 12:37pm
It's a perfectly clean photo. It's not like he's wanking off while someone shits on his face or anything. This is a body modification site. If you have a problem with looking at modified bodies, what are you doing here? Simple as.
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bullet Posted: August/18/2008 at 1:12pm
Originally posted by JenniferR2279

Originally posted by Rodeo-Core

i feel that up roar mainly comes from the less active modders, and from my opnion i would rather see a nice set of pierced balls than another nose stud or earing
 
its modification in its entirety i like, rough with the smooth folks
 
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Really, the uproar is because of the seemingly circular logic that posting an avatar picture of genitalia is forbidden because of the number of people who don't want a cock in their face when they sign on to the forums or posted on their profile in the recently viewed section, but when you hit the "return to BodyMod.org" link from the forums, it's there.
 
I have no issues with the picture in and of itself displayed on the homepage, nor do I take issue with genital avatars, but I do see a glaringly obvious discrepancy in the logic, and it seems that if you're going to mandate one, you should be consistant with both. That way, these inconvenient little debates won't be an issue.
 
As for the old "this site isn't meant for kids" it is true, but it's also used to excuse unacceptable behavior. There are those of us who are very open about the human body and don't rear our kids with physical and sexual taboos. I, personally, view modification as an artform, and just as I wouldn't shield my children from images such as the Venus de Milo, the statue of David, or Michelangelo's God Creates Adam, I'm not going to shield my children from any form of modification. I *do* take offense to obscenity that has been posted on the forums and in the mods, since it's clearly against the terms and conditions that Adam has brought forth.  So I take offense to the "this isn't a site meant for kids" adage being thrown out when the poster is indisputedly in the wrong. This may not be a site meant for children, but there are rules and accountabilities that have been put in place that are blatantly disregarded. I consider myself an extremely openminded person, but I don't want to see some guy sticking his fist up his ass in a picture that is supposed to showcase his mods, or a picture of someone pulling a chick's panties out to photograph her shitting herself. If I wanted to look at something like that, I'd google fettish porn sites, but the last time I checked, this site isn't porn, it's "art that we would hang on our walls." My%202%20Cents




Art is subjective what if i find a pic of a chick shitting herself to be art?? Who are you to tell me what I should and shouldnt ahng on my walls or whats tasteful art and obscenity are both subjective. I believe as long as it's not illegal material we should be able to post what we want within reason such as not posting a pic of a chick shitting herself as a mod cause its not a mod obviously but if i want to post that in my journal because I find it artictic whats wrong with that?? You can't tell people whats art and whats not it's up to the individual to decide. And this iss the whole skinned Penis debate all over again. For the record I think that we should allow genital avatars however there should be the option to not have to see them similar to IAM.
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bullet Posted: August/18/2008 at 1:49pm
Originally posted by JenniferR2279

Originally posted by CheeseStix

I think the deal is, from last time this happened: BodyMod.org is never, has never, and will never be a child friendly site. If you have kids around, do you log into a porn site? No. Because it's not child friendly. Well, neither are we. If you yourself don't like looking at it, bookmark somewhere else. But the decision has been made, the mod of the moment has been picked. It is a great representation of the modified community. What ISN'T a great representation of the community is people whining about it.

 

You don't find it a little inappropriate to liken this site to porn? That's not really a great reprensentation of the modified community, especially since sites like this attempt to break down that barrier and stress that this is a form of artistic expression, NOT pornography.


well you still have to think of the legal issues that could happen, thats why its not child friendly, hell its one of the reasons why BME moved to canada, heres an excerpt from modblog

"You may remember that quite a while back BME did an emergency move out of the United States (we were hosting out of California at the time, but are now back in Toronto where I live right now). If you’d like to know why, ask the recently sentenced folks who got three years in prison (down from over five) for shipping a nipple piercing video across state lines. This case also defined nipple piercing as “violence” and not protected under “free speech”. I can’t even begin to say how relieved I am that Canada has protection of “free expression” (including sexual expression), and that obscenity is defined by harm caused, not by moralism. So yeah, this picture goes out to all my friends at the FBI."

we dont want that on Adam now do we? we might not view it as porn or art, we have open minds, we might want our kids to be openminded to it too, but one wrong person taking the site a wrong way could end in disaster, thats why its not a child friendly site, we have nothing against teaching our kids, but apparently others do
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bullet Posted: August/18/2008 at 1:56pm
Originally posted by glimmi


Art is subjective what if i find a pic of a chick shitting herself to be art?? Who are you to tell me what I should and shouldnt ahng on my walls or whats tasteful art and obscenity are both subjective. I believe as long as it's not illegal material we should be able to post what we want within reason such as not posting a pic of a chick shitting herself as a mod cause its not a mod obviously but if i want to post that in my journal because I find it artictic whats wrong with that?? You can't tell people whats art and whats not it's up to the individual to decide. And this iss the whole skinned Penis debate all over again. For the record I think that we should allow genital avatars however there should be the option to not have to see them similar to IAM.
 
Ok, the site has apparantly eaten my response, so I'll edit it if it shows up.
First of all, if you want a picture of a girl shitting herself on your walls, that's fine. Adam hasn't written caveats for your walls, but he has for this site, and he stipulates that anything vulgar (please excuse my use of the word obscene) or sexually oriented doesn't have a place anywhere on this site, be it in the mods, on the forums, or in your personal journal. To quote:
"You agree not to use this website (BodyMod.org) or any other .MOD website you have access to, to post any material which is vulgar, defamatory, inaccurate, harassing, hateful, threatening, invading of others privacy, sexually oriented, or violates any laws of any country. You also agree that you will not post any copyrighted material that is not owned by yourself or the owner of this website.
You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages and postings, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless BodyMod.org and Adam Callen with respect to any claim based upon any post you may make. We also reserve the right to reveal whatever information we know about you in the event of a complaint or legal action arising from any message, photo, or video posted by yourself."
 
and
 
"If you are going to be posting any images or videos of ANY body modification type, you agree that you are of at least the age of 18. You are not allowed to post images or videos that are considered pornographic. Documentation and artistic expression is all that is allowed. Anyone posting images that do not fit these guidelines will be removed, the posting account will be terminated immediately, your IP will be banned from the site, and proper authorities will be notified if necessary."
 
Oh, and Glimmi, the Supreme Court is the one that sets the standard for what's obscene and what's not with the Miller Test.
1) Does the average person find it lacking prudency?
2) Does it depict graphic sexuality or excretory function?
3) Is it lacking serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value?
If all three conditions of the Miller Test are met, the material is considered obscene and are not protected under the First Amendment. 
 


Edited by JenniferR2279 - August/18/2008 at 2:23pm
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bullet Posted: August/18/2008 at 2:11pm
Originally posted by Uraniumhobo


well you still have to think of the legal issues that could happen, thats why its not child friendly, hell its one of the reasons why BME moved to canada, heres an excerpt from modblog

we dont want that on Adam now do we? we might not view it as porn or art, we have open minds, we might want our kids to be openminded to it too, but one wrong person taking the site a wrong way could end in disaster, thats why its not a child friendly site, we have nothing against teaching our kids, but apparently others do
 
I don't disagree with you in the least. This is the reason why Adam lists caveats for vulgarity and sexual images. It's not a site that most would mistake for being child friendly and there is an expectation of explicit images being posted to this site. That's why explicit avatar images and featured mods don't bother me.
 
But I do get offended when someone uses the "not child friendly" excuse as a retort when they post something that *is* sexual in nature or flat out vulgar. It's not a wall that they can hide behind when they're in blatant disregard of the caveats, since we ALL agree to the conditions when we register.
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bullet Posted: August/18/2008 at 2:19pm
all i have to say is

padlocked Penis FTW!!!!


i cannot believe someone being offended after visiting here more than once, if you are offended that easily, leave...  of course this site is not child friendly, it is geared towards an adult theme "body modification" is not something that your 4 year old should be reading about anyways...

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bullet Posted: August/18/2008 at 3:46pm
i love how many people presume to speak for Adam. obviously if Adam was offended by the picture he chose for the mod of the day, it wouldn't be the mod of the day.
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bullet Posted: August/18/2008 at 3:57pm

Who is presuming to speak for Adam? I haven't seen anyone say that Adam is offended by the mod of the moment. Adam has only been referenced in judgement calls he's made in the past, and for the TAC and he has listed for this site. Is Adam now a word that we're forbidden to speak?

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bullet Posted: August/18/2008 at 4:04pm
i think CheeseStix makes an excellent point. And I agree with you too Rouslan, however, I think you've made your point now, you've said enough.
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bullet Posted: August/18/2008 at 5:18pm
the front page image is always chosen by Adam, and Adam alone, the fact that he posted it, speaks for itself, his opinion is inferred because he alone controls that aspect of the site

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