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Samantha8
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Topic: Healing Time for Microdermals??
Posted: August/19/2008 at 8:15pm

I keep looking places and everyone say something different. I have done a few microdermals now. I just would like feedback from other piercers or ppl that have had them on how long it took them to heal.

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Posted: August/19/2008 at 8:45pm

Basically, microdermals and subdermals are exactly like piercings that you would never be able to clean up. Understanding this simple statement means you that whichever solution you may pick, you'll end up scalpelling them away in a couple weeks-months-years (depending on your luck). Which means that even if they heal, they'll all end up infected some day and you'll have to get rid of them.

As a pro, I think that when it comes to microdermals - subdermals - dermal anchors, you should be clear about the fact that they are a semi permanent procedure that will leave you with a scar and some pain when you'll have to remove your stuff.

And from a strictly medical - hygienic perspective, I find it simply stupid to place under some persons skin an object that will never be cleaned up. It's just enough to keep a plug a few weeks or months, remove it and just smell it to understand that all those procedures are pure shit and totally unprofessional.

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Posted: August/19/2008 at 9:30pm

What?

OK here's a real answer. They usually take about a few months to heal as long as there are no problems.

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Posted: August/19/2008 at 9:42pm

Exactly,What? Again all I can do is laugh at the ignorance.

Healing times are going to vary depending on the person and placement.Generally speaking 3 months for initial healing,upward of 6 months for the "anchoring".

Damn these human beings; if I had invented them I would go hide my head in a bag.

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Posted: August/19/2008 at 10:29pm

I can only laugh.. I agree, a few months initially, and I would never attempt to change "ends" till after 6 months.

As for never being cleaned... just like a surgical implant... wow.

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Posted: August/20/2008 at 9:15am

"OK here's a real answer." -- Carrie

"Again all I can do is laugh at the ignorance." -- Kweidog

"I can only laugh" -- Cheesestix

Laugh, yeah laugh. Microdermals heal, subdermals heal, dermal anchors heal, and then get infected, and they scalpelled out.

Basically, if you just keep a piercing in and never clean it, you're creating a nice and warm bacterian paradise where lots of stuff can happen, which will eventually end up irritated and infected. Only solution is then to take off the piercing, and clean it up regularly.

When the same thing happens to a subdermal, transdermal, microdermal or dermal anchoring, you have no way to clean up the shit that is enclosed in your body between the jewelry and the skin. Which - on the long run - necessarily ends up in regular irritations and infections until either your body simply rejects it all or you scalpel it out because you're fed up with the shit.

Of course, as a pro it's better today to tell faery tales and take the cash from your customers because that's a 2 or 3% part of your turnover.

Microdermals are quite a recent "technology" which appeared three or four years ago. How can you claim to be a pro and affirm that those piercings have a single chance to hold on the long run?

Now if I say that most of the people who get them end up having them infected, rejected or having problems with them, again am I coming from another planet? And if I say that on a 5 or 10 year span almost ALL subdermals ended up in traumatic surgical operations again I'm a liar?

It's that simple. Wether you talk about microdermals, subdermals or dermal anchors, you're talking about jewelry that will first create a fistula inside your body, and then trap all the shit produced by any skin - be it outer skin or fistula - forever in a place where you'll never be able to clean it up. And I guess that for one microdermal that will stay in a body during 40 years without a problem, 99999 will reject. Just a question of logics. No possibility to clean up a place means infection.

And I'm quite certain that within a few years, the whole profession will consider microdermals as a semi-permanent procedural that can last from six months to five years, depending on your luck.

"As for never being cleaned... just like a surgical implant... wow."

Nope Cheese. YOU're showing your ignorance here. A surgical implant will be isolated by your body which will build a bareer around it. No way in, no way out. A subdermal, microdermal, dermal anchors all mean a hole leading to an entrapped structure in your body which means that this place will never have the chance, as an implant, to be isolated.

Edited by Rouslan - August/20/2008 at 9:21am

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Posted: August/20/2008 at 9:21am

yeesh...Rouslan, just reading that completely turns me off to the thought of getting any sort of microdermals.

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Posted: August/20/2008 at 9:32am

And by the way, cheese, since you're talking about implants, again if you're really interested in that you should know that implants performed by bodymod community have some kinda 50% rejection ratio (not my source, BME) and that even implants performed by surgeons (aesthetical ones) may end up causing serious problems; Actually there is NO surgeon today that would give you mammal implants and promise you that you'll keep them until you die.

Like it or not (microdermals were such a nice promise when they came out) tattoos are permanent, piercings can be permanent if you take care of them, but subdermals, microdermals, dermal anchors and even implants are in no way permanent stuff today. If a surgeon performing aesthetic chirurgy with a 30 years feedback and the very best technology can't promise you anything on the long run, it's 100% clear that a piercing artist with a three or four year feedback on microdermals promising you anything is a charlatan.

Now feel free to laugh at my ignorance.

Edited by Rouslan - August/20/2008 at 9:33am

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Posted: August/20/2008 at 9:54am

i think i will if you did not now you body has white blood sells that help kill infection in the body which means that even thought you can not get under the skin to clean out ur microdermals your body will clean it self out. just make sure you clean above it and around it and keep you body in nice healthy shape you WILL be fine. if your not taking care of yourself then ya i can see them wanting to get out because your not looking after your body and youll be sick any ways

by the way how many have you done and taken out? some of us now first hand about this and now what to do about this and all. i have had 9microdermals and i have only had 3 taken out because i got impatago from dead feet skin on them (impatago is a tipe of flesh eating desess)
they were only about 2 weeks old when this happened and realy after i got ride of my desess they healed right back up. the reasen i got them taken out is because i dint like the way they were sitting in my skin.

so ya im going to laugh realy realy hard about all you have to say. if your going to turn some one away from doing some thing look at all the points not just the one Sarcastic%20Clap

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Posted: August/20/2008 at 10:11am

Yika, microdermals are three or four years old. You can't promise anything when a technique is that young. But since on the whole it's just quite similar to subdermals (apart from the insertion scheme), being a steel part enclosed in your body to put some jewelry on your skin, I guess that it's quite fair to say that on a 5 or 10 year span you may expect the same survival ratio as with subdermals, that is close to 0% chances to keep that stuff on the long run.

Laugh at me. You'll maybe remember me when you'll scalpel them out one by one in two, five, ten years. First hand experience is one thing, but again, your first hand experience is maybe one or two years old.

Last but not least, white blood cells are EXACTLY what you find in a piercing. Dead white blood cells are pus. When you can't clean it out, you end up with a mix of that, and of bacterias. That white and smelly-stinky stuff is what's your removing from your ear plugs every few days, or weeks. Just imagine how would your ear plugs look (if you have some) would you leave them and never clean them up. Remove them after six months or one year (if you manage to keep them for such a long time), smell them, and ... yeah. You have the same thing happening under your skin with the microdermal, and no way to clean it up.

Oh... white blood cells are on the other side of the fistula. They are not OUTSIDE your body. The microdermal creates a fistula cavity and is outside your body, white blood cells won't go through the fistula, kill the bacteria and go back home.

A little drawing I did for you because you're lovely, Yika.

Edited by Rouslan - August/20/2008 at 10:32am

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