Anchors and microdermal implants
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Topic: Anchors and microdermal implants
Posted By: AlettaDoll
Subject: Anchors and microdermal implants
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 3:18am
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From my understanding Anchors and microdermal implants are treated like a normal piercing but are to be considered permanent because of the tissue that grows into the holes in the jewelry. My question is: If you have to go to am MRI, CT scan or Xray what do you do? A friend of mine was in a car wreck and the emergency team cut out her plugs and surface bars because they needed to perform these tests. I understand that timing may mean everything in these situations but I would be upset if they didnt just take them out of me, unscrew the balls or take off the rubber bands. Doesn't seem that hard, though I would imagine anchors would have to be cut out... |
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Posted By: human_no110289
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 3:24am
| yes, a scalpel is needed. they need to be cut out and removed from the skin. |
Posted By: Jesykka
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 3:53am
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Yeah, they need to be outted with a scalpel as far as I know. Though there was something I was reading about one that can be massaged until they come out. Seems to be so many varitations of the jewellry around, guess that's what it comes down to. Pararmedics mightn't know enough about taking the jewellry out to do it quickly.
I would be kind of annoyed to find myself in your friend's situation! Even though I guess it's sort of a 'be thankful you're ok' thing, I'd find it difficult to get over them just ripping them out on me!
Though one of my dermals is acting up lately and I feel like ripping the damn thing out myself sometimes! ------------- Recieving transmission from David Bowie's nipple antennae! "No, Marge. Everything penis-shaped is bad." --Associate Professor Jerk |
Posted By: Oakbear
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 4:04am
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In an emergancy a paramedic might try and take it out, although i think most would try and end up leaving it. Cutting out jewellery, and especially plugs, sounds vindictive imo, as i can't see a need to scan so rapidly. Someone has to be stable to be scanned anyway. Some medical staff can be very funny about bosy jewellery. As for dermals, well all the decent ones are titanium it shouldn't have a big effect for an MRI. Just explain it and discuss it, and probably remove the cap. I think the stem should be fine though. ------------- When all's been said and done, it's the things that are given, not won, are the things that you earned. |
Posted By: kcir
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 4:27am
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most quality jewelry should be made non-ferrous metals. put a magnet next to your jewelry. if it moves in the slightest, you probably bought it at hot topic. ------------- 
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Posted By: SierraFoxtrot
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 7:11am
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Surely cutting out the jewellery (especially the plugs?!) would take longer than taking them out with your hands?
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Posted By: CheeseStix
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 8:17am
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I definitely agree.. Remove the cap, maybe put a bandage or some sort of tape over it, and they should be fine. I can't imagine how they could simply be massaged out, unless they were either not healed yet, or they were those awful fish hook looking ones... don't use those... lol. It's just logic, if you've seen a dermal anchor (not the evil fish hook ones) the base is about 5 mm long, and 3 mm wide. the hole is 2 mm'ish.... the only way that can ever come out is by enlarging that hole. ------------- http://www.bodymod.org/profiles/profile~ID~29919.aspx"> 
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Posted By: AlettaDoll
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 9:30am
| Thank you all for your input! |
Posted By: kweidog
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 1:47pm
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In the case of micro dermals,most of them are made of titanium so would have little or no effect on mri's etc.Also as far as removal,a scalpel is not the proper tool for the job,it'd be overkill.All thats needed is a needle and someone that knows what they're doing. ------------- Damn these human beings; if I had invented them I would go hide my head in a bag. |
Posted By: yerevan
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 2:44pm
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when you say they cut out her plugs, do you mean they cut through the bottom of her earlobe to remove it? If so that's awful... they should be sued or something, depending how big they were, she'll probably need reconstructive surgery. eak. ------------- They say goldfish have no memory- I guess their lives are just like mine. And the little plastic castle is a surprise every time... |
Posted By: AlettaDoll
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 8:06pm
| That is indeed what I meant. They sliced the bottom of her ear open and took it out :'( |
Posted By: bondagekitten
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 8:43pm
| I'd rip through the health board if any medic cut my lobe open. |
Posted By: stuffsh
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 9:00pm
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I honestly can't believe they would cut through a stretched lobe rather than take the jewellery out! That is ridiculous.
*hugs own lobes*
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Posted By: AlettaDoll
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 9:26pm
| Well, it wasnt really a plug. I say plug but I meant one of those spiral things that they cut out. that whole was only about a 6g too. but the surface bars in her chest were cut out too |
Posted By: BrandonV
Date Posted: August/14/2008 at 10:17pm
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I have been doing microdermals for about as long as they have been out and in all my time doing them I have never needed a scalpel to remove them. And I don't use the fishhook anchors. A scalpel is highly unneccessary to remove an anchor. I am able to manipulate them out of the body very easily using only a pair of mosquito clamps. It is much easier to remove them then to put them in initially. ------------- Piercings By Brandon @ Fillmore Tattoo www.myspace.com/brandonvermillion www.fillmoretattoo.com |
Posted By: CheeseStix
Date Posted: August/15/2008 at 1:25am
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BrandonV, I'm sorry if I sound skeptical, but please, explain to me how that's possible, or what type of dermals you use. I see it as simple logic that the base of the dermal is far larger than the hole for the post. To maneuver such a large object out such a small hole would be excruciating, and you would most likely tear. A scalpel would be far less damaging. ------------- http://www.bodymod.org/profiles/profile~ID~29919.aspx">
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Posted By: freakychild
Date Posted: August/15/2008 at 2:44pm
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to cheesestix. i've had to remove microdermals twice from two different clients... both client had their microdermals for more than 6 months this was before i ever inserted an anchor. the first one i used a scalpel to open the hole just a bit towards the short end of the base, then i pocketed under the base with the blade to severe the fistula and the anchor slid right out... on the the second, i experimented (the client is a longterm friend and consented), i gently massaged the jewelry for a couple of minutes (streching the hole a bit) and then inserted a 16 gauge needle under the base to sever the fistula... i pierced the skin just to the side of the jewelry and manuvered the needle under the base.. the jewelry slid right out, with the help of some small clamps, without the need of cutting to open the hole... the second client said there was a small amount of pain, but after a couple of weeks there was barely a scar visible. the first client has a tiny visible scar that she's treating with scar therapy cream. both anchors were titanium pieces bought from microdermals . com my point is, there are ways other than cutting... though cutting is by far the fastest and easiest on the customer... in the future i will more than likely always use a scalpel to remove any other anchors that are presented to me (unless the client demands as small a scar as possible), but now i know there's another way that also works... |
Posted By: Eui1337
Date Posted: August/17/2008 at 1:12am
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man... i'm so glad i don't go to the hospital every other day now...i'd be so sad if someone cut out my plugs :c
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Posted By: CheeseStix
Date Posted: August/17/2008 at 1:19am
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Freakychild - Thanks for the explanation. =D It makes a lot more sense now. I've only removed 1, but I found I only needed a small cut, about 2 mm, and it slid out nicely. The skin had grown through the hole, but a little massaging got it out without extra cutting.
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Posted By: freakychild
Date Posted: August/17/2008 at 2:54pm
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Cheese - i'm sure it's possible to just massage and pull the implant out without cutting or piercing to break the growth of flesh in the holes of the base, and it may not be terribly painful to the client.
but, as a general rule (in my somewhat limited experience with microdermals and my somewhat extensive experience as a piercer) i do what i know needs to be done unless i can expirement extensively on consenting friends or myself with a new technique...
so, to all those out there in bodymod land that has anchors and wants them out... go ahead and accept as a fact that you will more than likely have to get them cut out in some form or fashion. no matter what EXPERIENCED PIERCER you go to, everyone's technique will differ in some way or another... but more than likely it will involve a blade of some sort. |
Posted By: BrandonV
Date Posted: August/17/2008 at 9:25pm
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A customer shouldn't have to accept the fact that a micro dermal needs to be cut out. The only time that an anchor might need to be sliced out is if it has started to embed it self and I cant get a good grip on it. I don't think that using a scalpel is neccessarily wrong as long as you have made it clear to your client that there are other options that would more then likely result in less scarring.
While normaly removing anchors I clamp the top end and pull up slightly to see which way the anchor was placed. After I establish the smaller end. I gently massage the smaller end out of the opening on an angle. After I have the smaller end removed the rest of the anchor slides right out. I have never used a scalpel or needed one. Most of the time my clients dont even bleed. Most of the piercers that I know remove anchors this way. It is the only way that I have been taught.
As you know the human body is very tough. The hole that the anchor was placed into is very easily expanded without trama. All it takes is a little patience.
After removing an anchor I recommend that my customers massage vitamin e oil into the area until the scar deminishes. ------------- Piercings By Brandon @ Fillmore Tattoo www.myspace.com/brandonvermillion www.fillmoretattoo.com |
Posted By: freakychild
Date Posted: August/18/2008 at 4:33pm
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brandon - i only say that one should accept that more often than not they will have the microdermal cut out because a lot of body mod professionals do what they know works each and every time... added to that, there really hasn't been a great amount of time put into microdermal removal research and experimenting by a large number of body modification professionals. some have had far more experience than others, but as a whole there are really just a few piercers offering microdermal implants as a service. i think we all can accept and acknowledge the fact that cutting is by far the most used and reliable way of removal... if that makes it the best way, that's not for me to say. yes, as i've found out, it is very possible to remove an anchor by massaging. and yes, it's very possibly easier on the client in the long run. i said what i did to serve two purposes. 1: to help people really consider the ramifications of their body modification decision with the consideration that who they visit to get the anchor removed may not know or have expiremented with the massage technique, and therefore will more than likely cut. it should be the hope of all body mod professionals that their clients be aware of ALL the risks and compromises that may have to be made before undertaking a decision to alter their body in any way. and informed client is a happy client from start to finish. and 2: to let people know that the massaging technique is not yet a set in stone science to most professionals. when in doubt (in any situtation), i will always resort back to what i know works every single time. it may not be the best way available, or the way you were taught brandonV, but i, along with many professionals, know for an absolute fact that cutting works every time. microdermals are very much so still in their infancy as a piercing. there's still so much to learn and discover about this type of modification. different techniques that may be being developed somewhere in the world, even now as we're reading this, could very well turn the piercing world on it's ear in regards to microdermals. professionals should always strive to learn more, but we all know what always works. |
Posted By: kcir
Date Posted: August/19/2008 at 9:06am
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Posted By: bluestar
Date Posted: August/19/2008 at 11:18am
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I had microdermals beside my eyes for about 2 months and had to take them out for ECT (shock therapy) and I gently massaged the skin and pulled, and they popped right out. No blood, no mess. With my microdermals I wore bandages over them for 2 weeks for them to settle in.. I've torn out a few and it sucks. I was using IS titanium microdermals. Standard. |
Posted By: Yika
Date Posted: August/19/2008 at 12:24pm
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ive asked some of my clients (im a hair dresser) about this and what they have to do about it. and they say just tape it down with something they do it all the time so ya i believe them |
Posted By: twilightswimmer
Date Posted: August/19/2008 at 7:49pm
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They do not necessarily have to be cut out. I have gone through an MRI with 30+ in me - they are titanium, and since they weren't in the line of fire, as it were, they wouldn't screw up the image. And no magnet in the world will affect titanium. As an aside - I left my surgical grade stainless steel in, also. It was fine.
To remove them, a hemostat can grip it and gently rock it out. If there is a bit of skin there, a piercing needle can cut it - it's painless. That skin doesn't seem to feel like the surface. You do not need a scalpel to remove them. ------------- There's no rest for the wicked... |
Posted By: dermalanchor
Date Posted: December/16/2008 at 6:13pm
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Posted By: stuffsh
Date Posted: December/16/2008 at 8:54pm
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Ok, I'm gonna bite on the spambots "invention".... Plastic? No thanks... Plus, surely the threading would eventually just become ruined (anyone else ever screwed things into plastic a few times?)
Plus, the design of the anchor still hasn't changed! I want to see bigger holes in these things for starters! ------------- Pierced, Stretched, Burnt, Suspended, Inked, Punched and Bifurcated |
Posted By: kcir
Date Posted: December/16/2008 at 9:41pm
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this is obviously high tech jewelry. it's already made an account and a forum post. i don't know how much more advanced you can get. -------------
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Posted By: Uraniumhobo
Date Posted: December/16/2008 at 9:45pm
i think the jewelry is becoming self aware O_o ------------- Ah ha-ha, chess. The ancient contest of wits. Two opponents: mano a mano. Braino a braino. And look: magnets for ease of travel. You could play chess on the moon. |
Posted By: k.harr
Date Posted: December/17/2008 at 1:45am
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first i must lol at the talking jewelry. LOL
now then:
i just had a microdermal taken out on saturday. it was entirely rejected out of my body cavity, if you will, but still contained in a sac of skin on the surface. theres a picture of it in a forum thread i started called "microdermal removal".
i asked my piercer to scalpel out the jewelry as well as scalpel the scar tissue around the jewelry, in hopes of a flatter scar. he advised me not to have him scalpel, as this would make the scarring worse in the long run. seeing as i trust my piercer with MY LIFE, i allowed him to manually take it out.
massage is definitely not the word. in all honesty i would use the words "forceful manipulation". my piercer started out just using his fingers, but ended up using a clamp to pull out the jewelry. it came out completely clean, it didn't appear to be connected to any tissue, but there was a stringlike bit of skin coming out of the sac after he was finished that i have a feeling might have been the last bit of what was holding the jewelry. it bled for a few minutes, nothing horrific.
it was incredibly painful, and a very strange feeling. i can't really describe it. the feeling made me sick to my stomach and a bit dizzy. (possibly slight shock?) the sac has already gone down alot, and i haven't put anything on it yet for scar treatment, but my piercer did recommend mederma.
so theres a detailed personal experience for you.
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Posted By: MistressRiot
Date Posted: December/18/2008 at 9:23pm
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i want to get a corset piercing, and i looked into getting dermal anchors. it seems like a better way because it would be less likely to reject. if im going to pay to get that done, id like it to be permanent.
^^although that sounds pretty painful. getting them taken out does NOt sound like any fun at all. ------------- Merry Christmas, ftw. ♥Riot |
Posted By: evalution
Date Posted: December/18/2008 at 9:38pm
jewelry with self-consciousness? slightly frightening.. especially when it's the jewelry that's saving my ability to get anchors. what if it like starts talking to me =I |
Posted By: AndiBuck89
Date Posted: December/18/2008 at 10:19pm
thats what im getting done atm. iv had one out (not from the corset) so far, and it was removed by manipulating it and then a tiny(1 or 2mm) slice with a scalpal.. im not too fussed with scarring cause it just not something that gets me! but the only scarring there is now seems to be from the hole the post came through, rather than the scalpal. I wouldnt say it hurt a lot either.. but i did alot of the manipulating myself before i went in! -------------  |
Posted By: LipsticStardust
Date Posted: December/19/2008 at 12:48am
I know this is not a funny forum,but FLMAO!*tears*(looks around for magnet)  |
Posted By: Braids
Date Posted: December/19/2008 at 1:30am
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