thanks

 

As a pro, I think that when it comes to microdermals - subdermals - dermal anchors, you should be clear about the fact that they are a semi permanent procedure that will leave you with a scar and some pain when you'll have to remove your stuff.

 

And from a strictly medical - hygienic perspective, I find it simply stupid to place under some persons skin an object that will never be cleaned up. It's just enough to keep a plug a few weeks or months, remove it and just smell it to understand that all those procedures are pure shit and totally unprofessional.

 

OK here's a real answer.  They usually take about a few months to heal as long as there are no problems.

Exactly,What?  Again all I can do is laugh at the ignorance.

Healing times are going to vary depending on the person and placement.Generally speaking 3 months for initial healing,upward of 6 months for the "anchoring".

 

 

"OK here's a real answer." -- Carrie

"Again all I can do is laugh at the ignorance." -- Kweidog

"I can only laugh" -- Cheesestix

 

Laugh, yeah laugh. Microdermals heal, subdermals heal, dermal anchors heal, and then get infected, and they scalpelled out.

 

Basically, if you just keep a piercing in and never clean it, you're creating a nice and warm bacterian paradise where lots of stuff can happen, which will eventually end up irritated and infected. Only solution is then to take off the piercing, and clean it up regularly.

 

When the same thing happens to a subdermal, transdermal, microdermal or dermal anchoring, you have no way to clean up the shit that is enclosed in your body between the jewelry and the skin. Which - on the long run - necessarily ends up in regular irritations and infections until either your body simply rejects it all or you scalpel it out because you're fed up with the shit.

 

Of course, as a pro it's better today to tell faery tales and take the cash from your customers because that's a 2 or 3% part of your turnover.

 

Microdermals are quite a recent "technology" which appeared three or four years ago. How can you claim to be a pro and affirm that those piercings have a single chance to hold on the long run?

 

Now if I say that most of the people who get them end up having them infected, rejected or having problems with them, again am I coming from another planet? And if I say that on a 5 or 10 year span almost ALL subdermals ended up in traumatic surgical operations again I'm a liar?

 

It's that simple. Wether you talk about microdermals, subdermals or dermal anchors, you're talking about jewelry that will first create a fistula inside your body, and then trap all the shit produced by any skin - be it outer skin or fistula - forever in a place where you'll never be able to clean it up. And I guess that for one microdermal that will stay in a body during 40 years without a problem, 99999 will reject. Just a question of logics. No possibility to clean up a place means infection.

 

And I'm quite certain that within a few years, the whole profession will consider microdermals as a semi-permanent procedural that can last from six months to five years, depending on your luck.

 

 

Now feel free to laugh at my ignorance.

 

Laugh at me. You'll maybe remember me when you'll scalpel them out one by one in two, five, ten years. First hand experience is one thing, but again, your first hand experience is maybe one or two years old.

 

Last but not least, white blood cells are EXACTLY what you find in a piercing. Dead white blood cells are pus. When you can't clean it out, you end up with a mix of that, and of bacterias. That white and smelly-stinky stuff is what's your removing from your ear plugs every few days, or weeks. Just imagine how would your ear plugs look (if you have some) would you leave them and never clean them up. Remove them after six months or one year (if you manage to keep them for such a long time), smell them, and ... yeah. You have the same thing happening under your skin with the microdermal, and no way to clean it up.

 

Oh... white blood cells are on the other side of the fistula. They are not OUTSIDE your body. The microdermal creates a fistula cavity and is outside your body, white blood cells won't go through the fistula, kill the bacteria and go back home.

 

A little drawing I did for you because you're lovely, Yika.

 

 

"for one thing you forgot the skin that grows throw the micrdurmal"

 

Oh I can draw it for you again if you wish. Won't change anything to the fact that you still don't understand what is skin, how it works and what's the difference between inside the body and outside the body.

 

"you can for sure get under the skin with the water and the sea-salt just make sure you rinse them off and dry them"

 

You can bath or put as much salt as you want outside the skin, YOU CANNOT ACCESS UNDER THE SKIN ANYMORE since you won't remove the microdermal anymore as opposed to a piercing that you can always took off, play with and wash.

 

When you go to the beach and that some sand gets into your piercings, it's quite irritating. Then you come back home, take a shower, take of your irritated piercing, wash the barr-ring and everything's back to normal situation. When that sand ends up in the hole of your transdermal/microdermal, what will you do? Same goes with bacterias, same goes with dust, unless you plan to spend all your life in a sterile sea-soak bath of course...

 

Again, even if microdermals aren't inserted like transdermals, the way they're supposed to stay in the body is quite similar. Since all transdermals end up being scalpelled out, I guess it's quite reasonnable to say that the same causes (shit blocked under the skin) will on the long run cause the same effects (irritations, infections and eventually rejection).

 

"just because its only 4 yeas old dosent mean they dont now what they were doing when they made it "

 

They. Who are they? Doctor in medicine Brian Decker?

 

I told you already that even a surgeon with up to date knowledge, the best available technologies, best sterile environment and doing such procedures like implants (which necessarily involve less risks than transdermal procedurals) cannot grant, after 40 years of testing and practise, that your mammal implants will last a lifetime.

 

Microdermals are still experimental today. The only honnest way for a piercing studio to sell them is to tell people that you can't grant a long-term result. And as opposed to the bullshit being told on BME wiki page, the rejection ratio of microdermals is by far superior to the 2% you can read over there.

 

Oh... and in the case you feel some urge to answer (again and again, as you already did), may I please ask you to make some efforts to spell in your mother language? English is my third language, I'm sure you can manage to do better than a foreigner.

 

Thanx.

It's very true that Microdermals are a relatviely new procedure, which means we have no idea how long they can stay for. How can we say they won't ever reject when they haven't been around long enough to prove that wrong?

 

It's like taking a new kind of theraputic drug thats only been trialed for a couple of years and saying it won't have any side affects and that it's totally safe.

 

Rouslan is also right about the white blood cells, they will only fight bacteria in an open wound. So once the piercing is healed, you have a little pocket of skin which can just keep collecting dead skin cells and bacteria feeding off them.

It's a similar scenario to when grossly overweight people get cellultis and other skin diseases in the folds of skin they have which they can't/don't clean properly.

 

I don't have any microdermals, but I can see that what Rouslan says makes good sense.

 

Yes you may have had/are having success with microdermals, and may continue to do so for a very long time. But as Rouslan has explained in his theory, they probably won't last forever, no matter how many sea salt soaks you do.

 

I think everyone should stop taking it so personally! You still have the right to get microdermals and most probably enjoy them for years to come, Rouslan is just giving his logical opinion on the matter.

"OK here's a real answer." -- Carrie

"Again all I can do is laugh at the ignorance." -- Kweidog

"I can only laugh" -- Cheesestix

"So yeah I'm going to laugh really loud" -- Yika

 

Still I don't have the feeling to have attacked anybody. Just told what I thought about microdermals, have made my point and tried to make ideas as clear as possible with a drawing.

 

So Yerevan I hope that when you're saying "everyone should stop taking it so personally" you don't include me in the the everyone thing. As you concluded, I'm not turning anybody away from microdermals, and just said that an honnest shop should inform his clientele about the risks involved and certainly not sell the stuff like a lifetime procedure.

 

No Rouslan I wasn't including you in that- I was referring to the fact that after you gave yor opinion everyone starting taking it personally and attacking you over it.

Subdermal implants are quite different since there is no contact between the implant and the outside. They may last a lifetime, but most feedback on BME tended to prove that risks are quite high to end up with rejection.

 

 

 

or maybe its because the warm damp environment provides the perfect conditions for bacteria to thrive?

 

Friend 1; Amberino. She got her microdermal in a high activity area, on her hip. Keeping in mind this was a second option, as she wanted a surface bar but was told she was too skinny for it. In the last seven months of having it done, it's gotten infected three times, and is still very tender. She has had a few piercings all of which turned out fine, and is still finding it hard to deal with the dermal, so is getting it removed.

 

Friend 2; A person I know on the Tinternet, Naomi, has had her chest dermals for about three years. They healed within the normal healing time, she takes great care of them, and has had no problems with them flaring up whatsoever.

 

...I guess it just depends on your body type, how you take to piercings, etc...

 

Oh. And may I say, Rouslan, I never knew you were an artist...?